Guest Blogger Kristian Bursell: Nasty ArchiCAD Models
Jared’s Note: Kristian originally posted this on LinkedIn. I loved it so much that I had to share it. I actually e-mailed Kristian right before he e-mailed me about reposting it…
Recently I was asked by a client (designer builder) to create a library of generic ArchiCAD parts to optimize (streamline) their processes. In order to keep the costs down they wanted to look at utilizing free content produced by building product manufacturers. In searching for this content I became quite frustrated; there was nothing I could recommend to them, because the available content is mostly rubbish.
I just want a decent set of taps damn it! But everything I find, from the main providers globally, has not even been scripted in GDL but rather imported, most likely from Revit or 3DS. This content is completely unusable on any reasonable scale due to the resulting high polygon count that cannot be reduced.
Most generic ArchiCAD library parts have a 3D Detail parameter that allows you to select between “Detailed”, “Simple”, and “Off” for the 3D representation. In my own library parts I include a resolution control; though I should probably mimic the ArchiCAD standard, my method is far more flexible. Both these parameters allow you to adjust the resolution and hence the polygon count of the model.
A hand basin I downloaded from a respected provider has been created using the dodgy import method (as had every other part I downloaded from their website) and resulted in a polygon count of over 2,500. Comparing this to a hand basin I created for another manufacture which had a polygon count or 1,500 at a high resolution; obviously there is not a lot of difference but when I reduced the resolution parameter in my object to a suitable level the polygon count reduced to 340, and it could have been reduce further.
There are a few other issues that also frustrated me, such as individual objects for each product when all hand basins from a manufacturer should be contained in a single GDL Library Part so you don’t have to download so many different parts to access the manufacturer’s full range. But then again this would be more difficult to achieve for the charlatans who create ArchiCAD content via import rather than GDL.
If a manufacturer pays good money to have their content created in ArchiCAD but the content is not used then why would they continue to create it? We need manufacturers onboard with the BIM movement but if this dodgy content is the general solution we offer then why would they bother.
I would like to hear from others who use free ArchiCAD content from manufacturers.
- What are your experiences?
- Have you found any decent content that you use regularly?
- Or do you just avoid it because you know it is mostly rubbish?
Please speak up so we can start to set things right. Share your thoughts below or here on LinkedIn.
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Erik
Similar issues with content are seen with all 3D modeling software, I believe. I know it certainly holds true for Revit. I once received a model for a Simpson Strong-Tie post anchor that was +200 MB. I was stunned…
Jared Banks
That is insane. Shitty modeling is shitty modeling is shitty modeling. But I shall now use it as my example of “Revit makes bigger files than archicad”. 🙂
Erik
LOL, well, it looked as if it was converted from an Inventor file, but whatever lets you sleep at night. 😉
Jared Banks
You know the only way I sleep is after some Revit bashing. And the only thing that wakes me up is the fear of someone badmouthing ArchiCAD.
Kristian Bursell
Ha Ha good one Jared.
Its a shame Autodesk cant create better communication between two of their own products. Though I guess it is not as if Autodesk created both products so they wouldn’t have had the opportunity to synchronize the methodology.
What it does highlight though is that the creation of OEM content is still being performed by the wrong people and these people are exploiting the lack of the manufactures knowledge. Where’s the integrity? I can tell you its not even with some of the main players.
I’m sick and tired of being asked “can you import this into ArchiCAD to save on cost?”. Yes I can, but i’m not going to, because it wont achieve the purpose of the endeavor.
Erik
To Kristian’s comment about two ADSK products not talking well to each other (for some reason I couldn’t post the reply in line, sorry) It’s not that they don’t translate well. They actually work pretty well together. It’s more about the fact that they are modeled for different purposes, and use different methodologies to get the same end product.
Patrick May
my most common frustration is with windows and fireplaces. I have created about a dozen custom fireplaces and am still trying to create/script a good flanged clad window unit. I agree, that any and all manuf. supplied gdl parts are crap. The only time I have ever found use is to download them, convert them to a morph and then re-script or completely recreate. The other frustrating thing is that rarely are library parts (windows especially) even accurate beyond the R.O. dimensions, so basically not any more useful than ArchiCAD’s standard parts.
Paul Adams
I have had similar problems with lousy building material objects. If I can’t find an object in ArchiCAD or typically just use a simple cube as a stand in and reference the item with a keynote.
It appears that a lot of manufacturers don’t know (and don’t care) that Revit and ArchiCAD need well made BIM objects to be effective; it isn’t surprising considering the poor quality 2D items that they supplied prior and the worthless 3-ring binders before that.
Just a Regular Dave
Goes back to the educational system where schools, guest lecturers tell impressionable students to only learn Revit, Autocad and SketchUp if you want a job… AND forget Vectorworks, ArchiCad and any other BIM apps.
That in itself is a tough hurdle to clear for those that want a good set of tools to so their work. And now we lament why there are lousy parts available.
Kristian Bursell
Very important comments; it is crucial that we teach the most advanced methods in schools if we are to evolve at a reasonable rate.
Reminds me of the phase “the school room’s the last room to get the truth (Zach de la Rocha)”. Its several steps backwards when it should be forwards.
I would like to have an influence on this but I guess my profile is not yet big enough to be a guest lecturer.
I think the key for those teaching is to invite industry experts as often as possible to be guest lecturers to ensure the students are up to speed with the latest issues.
Peter Hordern
You want to try landscaping………plant library objects are just shithouse…..to use an Australianterm….then I bought some…..instantly wanted my money back……so where to get good plants, and lots of them….not just a pine or two
Kristian Bursell
Nice, and appropriate, use of the Aussie language. Landscape objects would be relatively difficult to create so I’m not surprised that you struggle. I would love to have a go at creating some because the equations would be fun/scary.
I have created one object but it was for a particular purpose so it is probably not what you are after. It uses and image file (of your choice) in 3D rather than a solid 3D model. Send me your email (via http://cadswift.com.au/pages/Contact.html) and I will send you a trial version if your interested.
MC
Hi Kristian, if you’re in Sydney I might be able to invite you to lecture at uni sometime in the future.
Kristian Bursell
Thanks MC; I am just south of Sydney and would love to have the opportunity to twist the future minds of our industry. Thankyou for the offer, I will contact you privately for details.
Peter Hordern
Thanks Kristian for your genorosity in giving me the full working version….much appreciated